MATTHEWS: OK, you ever call up a Democratic Senator and say why don't you do this by reconciliation?
GRAYSON: What makes you think they're not going to do it? What do you know that I don't know?
MATTHEWS: Because... they've refused to do it because they cannot get past the filibuster rule. The United States Senate is different than the House.
GRAYSON: I...
MATTHEWS: You're allowed to talk as long as you want in the Senate.
GRAYSON: Not with reconciliation.
MATTHEWS: Unless you get cloture.
GRAYSON: With reconciliation it's 51 votes, not 60 votes.
MATTHEWS: What do you mean, reconciliation? You can't create a program through reconciliation!
GRAYSON: You can create an amendment...
MATTHEWS: Nobody's ever done one!
GRAYSON: The bill's already passed with 60 votes, you...
MATTHEWS: Name a program that's...
GRAYSON: All you need to do is...
MATTHEWS: Congressman, just name me the program that's ever been created through reconciliation. Name one! One!
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